Antivaxers jump the shark


Are you familiar with the term ‘jump the shark?” It refers to the moment when you know a program, band, actor, politician, or other public figure has taken a turn for the worse, gone downhill, become irreversibly bad, is unredeemable, etc. It originated with the show Happy Days and refers to the episode where Fonzi went water skiing and jumped a shark.  It was the point the show was beyond redemption and quality deteriorated.

This week, antivaxers jumped the shark over the story of David and Louise Turbin, the California parents who had been torturing and neglecting their 13 children for years.  California Assemblyman Jose Medina and Senator Dr Richard Pan have both discussed online and in news interviews how there should be oversight of homeschooling to make sure this kind of thing does not happen. Right now, in all states in USA, you can homeschool your children without any oversight by any authorities. Most homeschools are wonderful, but this does present an easy means for child abusers to hide their children away.  Assemblyman Medina, who represents the area where the children lived, made the following statement:

“I was very disturbed to learn about the horrific violence that has taken place in our community, and am thankful that these children are now in safety.  I am extremely concerned about the lack of oversight the State of California currently has in monitoring private and home schools. I have been in conversation with the Riverside County Office of Education, which agrees that we need to do more to protect our students and validate that they are in safe learning environments. I am looking into introducing a bill this year that would provide a legislative solution and prevent a situation like this from occurring in the future.”

State senator, Dr Richard Pan, has also been concerned.

“This tragic situation is the result of the fact that there’s no requirement for anyone to take a look at the kids,” said State Senator Richard Pan, D-Sacramento.

“It’s certainly not emblematic of homeschooling, but it does underscore the tremendous lack of oversight,” Pan said.

All this has led antivaxers to believe that Dr Pan is coming for their homeschools in order to vaccinate all children in California. In my opinion, they have jumped the shark.  They have swarmed to Dr Pan’s facebook page and Assemblyman Medina’s facebook page, posting endless comments about how they know “big pharma’ has paid Dr Pan to force vaccinate all kids and the idea of mandating oversight for homeschool programs is really about the government controlling them.  It’s been very rare to see anyone express empathy for the Turbin children or provide a solution to preventing children from being hidden away.

Some examples:

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Here’s a rare supportive message:

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Over on leviquackenboss blog, Ms Charron has added her two cents, convinced this might even be a fabricated story! You may remember Levi as the one who harassed then 12 year old Marco Arturo.

“This is starting to look like serendipitous timing for Pan. Just what if… any part of this story is fabricated or exaggerated so that California gets out some kind of “children’s safety” bill to start regulating homeschoolers, and once that’s done, they’ll no longer be exempt from vaccines?

I don’t think the press coverage is about monitoring California homeschools. I think this is about destroying them, making all children subject to SB277.”

A comment from her blog:

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I think it is pretty easy to see that antivaxers seem very concerned about themselves and the possibility that they will lose some perceived freedoms more than they are concerned about protecting vulnerable people. I find that incredible. We have a great many laws which limit our freedoms in the name of protecting others. Americans used to have the right to own their children like property and put them to work, deny them an education, even sell them into indentured servitude. Laws have taken away all those rights because children are humans and deserve protecting. As a homeschooling mom myself, I would not mind one bit if I had to bring my kids somewhere to report in once a month. I have nothing to hide.

And do you see how they’ve gone off the deep end thinking this is all about vaccines?  They cannot fathom Dr Pan might be concerned about children’s well-being. I find it troubling that they are so deeply paranoid.

As for Levi (aka Robyn Charron), I did not provide a link to her blog because I have recently discovered she edits comments. Her identity is pretty well known, in vaccine circles, so I mentioned to her that she could talk to her state representatives in Colorado. She edited out the state name. When I called her on it, she posted this:

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The paranoia runs deep in this crowd. Check out this video!  Someone from “truthertalk” thinks homeschoolers are being attacked and the state doesn’t care about children at all. This story about the Turbin’s is fake and it is all about “big pharma” coming to getcha!



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Antivaxer’s challenged me to a quiz



I got challenged to a quiz, while chatting on the CDC Facebook page today. I thought I would share. I answered from the top of my head. Did I do okay? Feel free to share this post if you ever get challenged to this quiz.


Note: I answered these questions as part of a challenge on Facebook. I was pretty proud that I answered them all in about five minutes. I appreciate all the clarifying comments. I am aware of all those details, but did not post them in the FB thread because I was trying to be super  brief.  But thanks!


1. Name 5 vaccine ingredients – aluminum salts, neomycin, various cells, polysorbate 80, albumin,
2. What is MRC-5? Cells from an fetus legally aborted 50+years ago on which some viruses are cultured.
3. What is WI-38? same as #2
4. What is vaccine court? Colloquial term for USCFC wherein people can file a claim of vaccine injury.
5. What is the national vaccine injury compensation program? VICP is the same as vaccine court
6. What is the 1986 national vaccine injury act? Federal act, co-written by founders of NVIC, with a great many safety laws and guidelines for informed consent, etc, also specifies how and when you can file a claim for vaccine injury and mandates high safety standards for vaccine production and distribution.
7. How has the CDC schedule changed since 1986? As science has developed more vaccines to prevent serious diseases, they have been added to schedule. Examples are rotavirus, PCV13, HIB.
8. How much money has been paid out by vaccine injury court? A bit more than $3 billion for claims and attorney fees. Compared to 5 billion doses given in 30 years, injury rate is 0.000011%.
9. How many doses of how many vaccines are in the CDC schedule between birth and age 18? Off the top of my head, we protect against 14-16 diseases.
10. Do vaccine contain DNA from aborted fetal cell lines? No. When viruses are grown on any cells, they are removed from those cells and purified before use in vaccines.
If so, which vaccines? None.
11. Do any vaccines contain dog, Monkey, Pig, and human DNA? No, see #10.
12. What is an adjuvant? Something that stimulates immune response to vaccine works better.
13. What is an antigen? The disease components in the vaccines.
14. Which arm of the immune system do vaccines stimulate? adaptive
15. Which arms of the immune system do natural diseases stimulate? innate
16. What is transverse myelitis? Inflammation of the spinal cord, often caused by natural infection
17. What is encephalopathy? Brain swelling, often caused by natural infection
18. What is the rate of autism in 2017, what was it in 2000? What was it in 1980? Autism rate today is 1.5%.
19. What is glyphosate and is it in vaccines? It is a pesticide and not in any vaccines.
20. If your child is injured, who will take physical, emotional and financial responsibility? Same person who takes responsibility if your child is injured by a disease – you. You could file a claim in federal court, if you meet the time table.
21. What was the Supreme Courts statement on vaccines in 2011? Bruesewitz v Wyeth is too long to summarize herein.
22. Can you provide a study showing vaccinated vs unvaccinated health outcomes? Yes, many. One is called KIGGS. Google it.
23. Can you show me a safety study proving it is safe to inject multiple vaccines? Yes, Dr Offit authored one for the journal Pediatrics. Google it.
24. What is shedding? Something antivaxers fear irrationally but, in reality, is mostly myth. There are no outbreaks caused by vaccines shedding.
25. Do vaccines shed? Which vaccines can shed for up to 6 weeks? Some live vaccines can shed, such as measles in urine, rotavirus in feces, chicken pox in pox, but there are no outbreaks connected with these vaccines. There are only a couple of cases of children shedding to siblings when proper hygiene protocol was not followed.
26. Which vaccines are live virus vaccines? MMR, oral polio (which we do not use in USA), smallpox ( which is only for military), rotavirus, and the nasal flu mist (which we don’t use in USA )
27. What is the VICP? You already asked this question. See #s 4-6
28. What is SV 40? It was a virus that was found in one of the early live polio vaccines. It was killed when it went thru the digestive system and never caused any health concerns in humans.
29. What is MTHFR and how is it affected by vaccines. A gene we all carry. It can have mutations, which antivaxers worry about, but all you need to do is take extra folate and you will be fine. It is not a valid reason to avoid vaccines, despite what naturopaths and health nuts think.
30. What is an acceptable amount of aluminum to be me ingested per day and what is the aluminum content of the Hep B shot given at birth? The ingested limit for intravenous feeding solutions that have aluminum in them is 25 mcg. That has nothing whatsoever to do with vaccines. FDA has approved vaccines as safe.
31. Can someone who was vaccinated for pertussis still spread pertussis after being exposed to it? If so for how long? Vaccinated baboons, when exposed to wild pertussis, were shown to colonize the pertussis in their throats for weeks but they were asymptomatic and thus not spreading the disease. Therefore, vaccinating are not spreading pertussis unless they get pertussis and have symptoms, which is unlikely.
32. What is the death from measles in the past 10 years in the US? From the MMR vaccine? According to CDC Wonder database, there have been 49 deaths from measles in the USA in the last ten years and zero from MMR.
Well, that was fun.
Happy weekend everyone!