The Truth about Vaccines Episode 1: Top Ten lies debunked

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This episode is sub-titled The History of Vaccines, Smallpox, Vaccine Safety and the Current CDC Schedule. I accessed the documentary by joining the email list. From there, I got a daily email with a link to watch today’s episode free for 24 hours. After the 24 hours, the episodes are available for purchase at the Truth about Vaccines website.

 

The series is hosted by Ty Bollinger. Ty is a CPA. He runs a seemingly successful business and website telling people factoids about cancer. For clarity, I am going to refer to everyone by their first name, after introducing them.

The first guest is author Jennifer Margulis. She makes a point is that if a patient did not want an antibiotic for a viral infection, they would never be called anti antibiotic, so why do we call people who question vaccine safety “antivax?”  Now, dear readers, do you see the logical errors here? As someone who is actually allergic to two different kinds of antibiotics, I know that being unable to take certain antibiotics and asking questions about antibiotic risks and benefits does not mean one is opposed to all antibiotics. It behooves my health to double check with my doctor that any antibiotic they are prescribing to me (on the rare occasion I need one) is not related to the two types which caused me allergic reactions.  By the same token, if you had a bonafide allergic reaction to a vaccine, you would want to find out which ingredient caused the reaction and avoid that one ingredient. Asking your doctor questions about your reaction and future vaccines does not make you antivax. What makes a person antivax is, for example, assuming that everything bad is a vaccine reaction or that a minor reaction is cause to avoid all future vaccines.  Also, doctors do not prescribe antibiotics for viral infections, so Margulis’ comment doesn’t actually make a lot of sense to me.

I do agree with Ty and Jennifer that we all want our kids to be safe. As I am oft to say, there is nothing wrong with asking questions. It’s the answers that are the issue.

The documentary says many falsehoods, such as the one above. I chose to narrow it down to ten and debunk just them.

 

One: The first lie comes from Dr Paul Thomas, a pediatrician from Oregon.  Paul explains that the AAP does not investigate vaccine safety. Ty claims that the issue is that we need to entertain the vaccine safety discussion. Now, do you see the lie?  The American Academy of Pediatricians is a professional organization.  They publish several journals, including Pediatrics.  They also research pediatrician office practices and they do research issues related to immunizations. In a way, Paul is correct that the AAP does not specifically research vaccine safety but this does not mean members are not involved in vaccine safety research nor does this mean that AAP ignores vaccine safety. In the journal Pediatrics alone, there have been many vaccine safety studies published. Therefore, it is untrue that the AAP does not investigate vaccine safety.

Two: Paul brings up iatrogenic, the idea that doctors cause harm by what they do. He says that doctors have lost their way and don’t look at the harms vaccines do. He discusses the connection between autism, vaccines, mercury in vaccines, the hepatitis B dose at birth, aluminum and how, in 2008, he had to make a decision to slow down and analyze vaccines for toxicity issues. His implication is that doctors cause grave injury to children, with vaccines, but they are not interested in learning why or how. This begs the question why then are doctors reporting adverse events to VAERS, the vaccine adverse event reporting system? Why are other doctors studying the medical information related to these reports and publishing findings in the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), a network of nine healthcare organizations across the country? Why are these findings published in journals to which doctors subscribe, such as Pediatrics, wherein they can be easily read? I have to think that Paul must be aware of these facts and is simply misleading viewers on purpose.

ThreeNeil Z. Miller comes to discuss all the side effects he thinks vaccines cause but he never brings up how he got these ideas from raw VAERS data nor does he discuss issues of validity or reliability of using raw VAERS data. The problem is that anyone can report anything to VAERS and reports are made, in comes cases, without regard to proving causation. This is important because the CDC and FDA and the VSD will monitor these reports and do studies of actual medical records to see if vaccines really do cause serious issues. For example, it was the results of these kinds of studies that the first rotavirus vaccine was removed from market in 1999 for causing intussusception more often than would occur normally. Neil should know how this works but he does not have access to medical records, so his studies only look at raw VAERS reports. This is not considered valid since none of the reports have been verified by medical evidence. SIDS is an example of something that may be reported to VAERS but, in reality, is not caused by vaccines. In fact, studies show SIDS rate in USA is not only at an historical low but that vaccines cut the risk of SIDS in half.  Therefore, Neil has nothing valid to offer and it was remiss of Ty to not mention these facts.

Four: Ty then comes on to claim that the CDC states informed consent issues are, according to the 10th amendment, a state’s rights issue. Barbara Loe Fisher, NVIC founder, explains how vaccine laws are state laws. Vaccine laws are statutory, created by states. They are implying that vaccines are given to children without the parent being afforded informed consent; therefore, they argue, this is coercion. Dorit Rubinstein Reiss has written about the legalities this topic and states: “The informed consent process for vaccines is carefully regulated and thought through. A serious effort is made to provide patients with the information they need in a short, accessible format. As long as the healthcare provider performs the legal duty of providing the Vaccine Information Sheet before vaccinating, the patient – or parent – has before them the information necessary to make an informed decision.”  Therefore, patients and their parents are give informed consent and the filmmakers, again, have lied.

Five: From this point, Ty discusses how much medical education a typical doctor receives in medical school. Larry Pavelsky states vaccines are not very much discussed in medical school.  Suzanne Humphries says doctors are not taught anything at all about what is in vaccines. Paul talks about how his daughter is in medical school and she is still not being taught what is in vaccines. Shari Tenpenny says the problem is the “big ramp up in the number of vaccines.” Del Bigtree, film producer, comes on to explain that doctors entire understanding of vaccines is “just because.”   He says doctors know nothing about vaccines except that they were told vaccines are safe. This is fraud, in his opinion.  Ty spends some time going over the average medical school curriculum. He claims that only one course is offered, microbiology, which addresses vaccines at all.

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In reality, doctors spend a great deal of time learning about everything to do with the human body, disease, prevention, treatment, and more. As you can see from the schematic above, which is from Stanford University’s s 2016-2017 MD Program, doctors learn about immunology, microbiology, diseases, systems, and more. What those opposed to vaccines really mean, when they say doctors don’t learn about vaccines, is that doctors do not learn the ingredients to vaccines. This is true. There is nothing on this curriculum list about pharmacology. Do you know why? Because pharmacists learn about pharmacology, not medical doctors. Medical doctors don’t memorize the ingredients to the drugs they look up. They can look up ingredients and side effects on their laptop. If you want to discuss drug ingredients, find a pharmacist.

Six: Barbara Loe implies that all manner of pediatric health issues are all on the rise and, therefore, must be related to the increase in vaccines. She states that the worst public health report card in history coincides with the increase in vaccines. But let’s take a look at the actual data. This report, from AAP, noted that the prevalence of disability increased 16.3 percent from 2001-2002 to 2009-2010 with more children today having a disability than a decade ago, and the greatest increase is among kids in higher-income families. But, “while neurodevelopmental and mental health-related disabilities increased, those due to physical conditions decreased.” “The survey did not break out autism, but we suspect that some of the increase in neurodevelopmental disabilities is due to the rising incidence or recognition of autism spectrum disorders,” Dr. Houtrow said. ”

We also know, from my research project last summer, that shifting diagnosis codes is responsible for the increase in autism diagnosis. And, we know that increases in special education funding and programming have resulted in more children being diagnosed with learning disabilities who would have been ignored in past generations.

We also know that SIDS and infant mortality rates are at all time lows, in USA.

Therefore, it is a lie to say that pediatric health issues are on the rise.

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Seven: Paul brings up how doctors were promoting cigarettes in the 1950s and implies vaccines are similarly waiting for studies to be done on them. This is a bit silly but since it is brought up often by those opposed to vaccines, I am going to give it some time. As you can tell from this 1956 Atlantic Article, science knew a great deal about how cigarettes were related to cancer, even back as far as the 1930s. “The year 1950 saw the publication of four independent statistical studies, each of which established a significantly higher percentage of heavy cigarette smokers among lung cancer patients than among any other group. There have now been more than fourteen similar studies, and without exception they arrive at this same conclusion.” So, why did doctors promote cigarettes in the 1950s? Well, because they were fake doctors in advertisements. The tobacco companies were not yet required to list warning about cigarettes and advertisers were allowed to lie back then. Laws changed in the 1960s. The Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act was not enacted until 1965. So, it is a lie to say that doctors were promoting cigarettes and there was not science about them being health hazards.

Eight: Paul comes back on to talk about how doctors don’t know what to look for, with regard to vaccine reactions. He says no one has looked at whether the unvaccinated have febrile seizures or die of SIDS.  He talks about how there are more allergies, more ADHD, etc and they have not been studied in relation to vaccines. (Does he really not know that these questions have been answered already? See #2)   Here is some information about febrile seizures. A lot is known about how they connect with vaccines. Some vaccines can cause a fever which could cause a febrile (fever) seizure. This is not epilepsy and it is not a vaccine issue, per se, but that some toddlers are prone to a seizure with a fever. An illness could also cause the seizure. We also know that vaccines cut risk of sids in half and that sids rate is at an all time low, in USA. 

Nine: Barbara  brings up how vaccines are unavoidably unsafe. Toni reiterates this point. Toni claims that judges don’t understand this point when she discusses it with them. Unavoidably unsafe refers to a legal case Bruesewitz v. Wyeth. Dorit Rubinstein Reiss explains that it means “these products are beneficial enough that society wants to encourage their manufacturing. Therefore, while strict liability would be applied to most products, a manufacturer that prepared a drug or vaccine carefully and warned consumers of its risks should not have to pay for the side effects of a drug or vaccine whose benefits outweigh the risks unless that manufacturer can be shown to have been negligent.” Therefore, vaccines are not unsafe.

Ten: Mike Adams, the Health Ranger comes on to claim that vaccines are advertised as 100% risk-free, that the vaccine risk are ignored. He claims the vaccine injury wants us to ignore the risk-benefit ratio. He does not explain why he thinks the risk from vaccines is “very very high.” I am sure Mike knows that vaccine information sheets fully state the risks and that disease risks are much higher. Therefore, he is lying to viewers.  Here is a great explanation of risks of diseases versus vaccines from the National Center for Immunisation in Australia.

Sidebar to #10: Ty brings up the vaccine injury awards paid out. He mentions the risks but does not qualify them. We know that 5200 claims of vaccine injury have been compensated, along with attorney fees, in 30 years. We also know that we’ve given out 3 billion (at least) vaccines in those 30 years. Why does Ty not mention that makes vaccines 99.999984% safe?

 

As you can see, there were a great many mistruths and outright lies told in this first episode of The Truth about Vaccines. I hope this information helps you to debunk the film. Look for episode 2 debunking soon!

Some information about Ty Bollinger

Official biography

Woman following his protocol died unnecessary death

Ty Bollinger’s pseudoscience

 

As always, remember to think for yourself.

 

Kathy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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166 thoughts on “The Truth about Vaccines Episode 1: Top Ten lies debunked

  1. Actually, physicians do learn quite a lot about pharmacology. Although there is no longer a specific course called Pharmacology in Med School curriculum now (as there was in my day) it is taught in the systems approach (Cardiovascular System, GI system etc).

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  2. Physician Assistants and various Nurses are other medical professionals who may have prescriptive privileges. Their curriculums also have proscribed credit hours in pharmacology which may be a separate course or a systems approach. Pharmacology is much more than the composition of a medication. I would suggest modifying your retort after you come to a fuller understanding of the discipline of pharmacology.

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  3. I’m a,pharmacist, in fact I’m taking the immunizing pharmacist course and ingredients are not addressed in any substantial degree. There’s no mention of vaccine injuries outside of the 15 minutes “possible ” post vaccine reactions or the big AEs like intussusceptuon after rota virus vaccine. 1000s of parents have come forward showing how their interactive speaking baby went straight into autism after the mmr. Vaccines are not safe. Vaccines are often ineffective in preventing disease and in fact may contribute directly or indirectly to the spread of infectious disease. I address this in my book vaccines:a public health crisis. Doris is incorrect in stating that vaccines should not have product liability. The citizens of the USA deserve vaccine manufacturer product liability. Vaccines should never be mandated. The vis doesn’t even come close to addressing the many adverse events people suffer from vaccines. The vaccine hey day is about to end. Too many of us vaccine injured are coming forward. I went through the crooked vaccine injury court and got nothing because it took my team of doctors just over 3 years to diagnose multiple sclerosis caused by the hepatitis b vaccine. I’m happy to announce that I’ve discovered a 3rd mechanism of ms induction by the hepatitis b vaccine. Dr. Offit is incorrect in his stated theory of autoimmune induction.

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  4. I have a Question for the writer of this Blog, Kathy. You say you are a mother. Do you have any children with disabilities? I ask because those of us who do are typically seeking answers. We live everyday wondering why. I don’t know if the vaccine’s are to blame, but NO ONE can tell what is. I actually completely disagree with most of the points you have made above. I venture to state that if your child was developing normally and then all of the sudden lost the skills they had gained, you would be singing a very different tune.

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    • My oldest is disabled. He had seizures as a baby, before he got any vaccine (before HepB vaccine). Sometimes things happen, and a reason may often never be found. He also has a genetic heart disorder in addition to his autism.

      The Simons Foundation is recruiting families to discover some of the genetics of disability. They have figured out several of the gene sequences that cause disabilities that are under the autism umbrella. If you would like to more and participate in the science, then please visit https://sparkforautism.org/ .

      I am not associated with this study in anyway, other than I tried to sign up my family. The problem is that my son is way over eighteen years old, and as an adult he has to do the online survey. So it is not going to happen.

      There is more information about the research in this video:

      At around the 27th minute they post slides of some of those genetic sequences showing the common phenotypes and symptoms. Starting at about 35 minutes in there is a pie chart of what is known. I will summarize it for you (there made errors in the transcription because the lack of video resolution, and my typos):

      5% are Genetic Syndromes like Fragile X, Tuberous Sclerosis (TSC1 and TSC2), …. etc

      10% are Copy Number Variants like 15q11-1, 1q21…. etc.

      2% are 16p11.2

      30% are De novo gene variants like DYRK1A, ADNP, … etc

      1% CHD8

      8% are rare inherited gene mutations (letters too small to make out).

      And 45% are still unknown, hence the massive recruitment for families for SPARK for Autism by the Simons Foundation (link in my other comment).

      At around the 57th minute there is a slide of various groups parents have formed around the specific genetic sequence their child has. It includes FamiliesSCN2A and ADNPkids.

      At 59 minutes there is a slide showing how knowing the specific gene sequence is important. For instance those with SCN1A need to avoid sodium channel blockers, and those with SCN8A need to use sodium channel blockers.

      Then the presentation concludes on research programs at the Simons Foundation and our local university. Then the presenters took questions.

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      • Autism Speaks, the Autism Society, the Autism Science Foundation, and others all agree autism are not caused by vaccines. They all agree that most cases are genetic in origin or related to environmental exposure in utero. Regardless, they all agree babies are born autistic.

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    • Yes I have a child with challenges. No, they are not caused by vaccines. I know many people who have children with challenges, disabilities, whatever you want to call them, all of whom know vaccines are not the cause. I would urge you to find the website or facebook page for the Thinking person’s guide to autism. You will find a large community of parents and autists who know vaccines do not cause autism.

      In reality, the people who think vaccines cause all manner of disabilities are in a small group. They are just loud.

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    • I agree. This is a very poor rebuttal that picks and chooses a few parts of the documentary to respond to and pretends like all the other science didn’t exist. But again feeds those that don’t question and blindly follow

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  5. My son was diagnosed with a brain cancer. He underwent forced vaccination in Germany only six months after completion of chemotherapy. Can you, please, name one peer study that shows that vaccines are safe for a child who has suffered brain damage caused by brain cancer (I ask myself if this disease was not vaccination long term side effect, however no way to find out)? I asked this question to the german doctors, but I still haven’t received any answer (a month has gone by). They have decided to delay the hep B vaccine for 6 months (the mother asks too many unconfortable questions). Wait a moment! Why on earth does a 10 years old boy (who went through so much lately) need to get this vaccine so urgently? I’m sure you can understand that forced vaccination poses me a huge problem, right? I forgot to mention that I live in a country where vaccination is not compulsory

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    • I don’t see how I could even being to speak for doctors in Germany who treated your son. You need to ask them why they felt vaccines were important for him. It is likely that they felt he would be at risk for measles, since that is epidemic in Germany at the moment, and wanted to protect him from it.

      I highly doubt he was forced.

      Every country has it’s own unique vaccination needs. If Hepatitis B is not an issue in Germany, then they can schedule the vaccination differently that USA.

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    • My youngest child was fully vaccinated apart from chickenpox (which still isn’t on the vaccine schedule here!)

      His earliest memory is of chickenpox and sitting in the yellow Pinetarsol bath to ease the itching, so yes, he’s had the “preventive” illness.

      As a teenager he was diagnosed with brain cancer. Raised intracranial pressure resulted in full cardiorespiratory arrest. Scientific medicine allowed him to survive and recover.

      A decade later, following his professional degree, he remains scientifically literate. He looked into whether vaccines could have contributed to his illness and laughed at the poor quality of evidence provided by those opposing the scientific consensus.

      These days he’s amongst the first to see his GP for influenza vaccination, although he doesn’t exactly recommend brain cancer as a way to get free vaccinations!

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  6. Can’t wait to hear you debunk Dr. Lee’s discovery through autopsies, of the HPV virus present in healthy children who died right after receiving that vaccine, and had no other way of contracting the illness other than from the vaccine. There have been more deaths from that vaccine than from cervical cancer (which the vaccine is supposed to be protecting us from). Vaccines ARE unsafe-some deadly- and there is no incentive for drug companies to make them safe, because they only care about money and can no longer be sued, so not held accountable. And vaccines should absolutely NOT be forced-we all have the right to control what happens to our own body (or our children’s). Plenty of children have sensitivities to them, as you do to antibiotics. What do they do to try and determine that before they are damaged? There is no validity to the herd immunity theory. Your arguments are weak and baseless, to say the least. And please do explain why autism rates have gone from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 50 if it’s not due to vaccines. We know that aluminum is a neurotoxin and that it is injected into babies while their immune systems are immature and developing. There are numerous studies showing a correlation. We have much higher rates of infant mortality than countries who wait to give vaccines after a year old. The more vaccines that are received at once, the more health problems that occur. They need to give single dose shots, later, and further apart. Cognitive dissonance is a blinding you. I could go on, but I fear it would fall on deaf ears.

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    • I’m afraid it’s you who suffers from cognitive dissonance, and frankly some of the assertions you make are untrue.

      Deaths in 2014 in the UK from cervical cancer: 890 (http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/statistics-by-cancer-type/cervical-cancer)
      Deaths attributed to HPV vaccine in 2014 in the UK : 0
      Doses administered of HPV vaccine in 2014/2015 : 297651 (Gov.UK)

      As for the herd immunity having no validity, do you have anything to back up that statement? Most if not all microbiologists (and I dare say medical professional (ie doctors)) would disagree with you.
      And as for autism rates having shot up, that’s been shown time and time again in studies that’s almost complete due to changed diagnostic criteria and that the DSM has now a far wider variety of disorders on the spectrum. And Wakefield has been discredited over and over again as a fraud.

      As for the vaccine industry being big $$$, again you’ll be disappointed. It’s estimated be worth $48 billion, whereas the dietary supplement market size is estimated to be $278 billion, the homeopathy market is $18 billion.
      With all the supposed big pharma shills needing paying off and the widespread corruption alleged by anti-vaxxers, I don’t think there will be much profit if any left 🙂

      I could go on but I fear you’ve already set your mind on vaccines being harmful.

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    • Dr Lee’s notions about the HPV vaccine/virus have been clearly debunked.
      There have certainly not been more deaths from vaccine than cervical cancer (there were over 4000 deaths from cervical cancer in 2015 in the US, with around 30,000 cases of HPV induced cancers occurring). There have been a tiny handful of deaths blamed on the vaccine, and most of these have scanty medical verification, being purely anecdotal.

      Infant mortality is calculated differently in the US than in most other countries; if the same criteria were used, the US rate would be closer to that of Sweden, which has one of the lowest. US IMR has dropped from over 30 per 100,000 births in the 1960s to under 6 per 100,000 today; that has happened while the vaccine schedule has expanded hugely. If vaccines contributed to infant deaths, then mortality should have risen, no?

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  7. Cathy
    Doctors are supposed to be interested in their patients safety by using and studying the VAERS system. They should be discussing causes of injury that they see repeatedly. This is reality. That’s why we see UNSAFE vaccines being withdrawn to protect the public from ongoing serious injury and death. No scientific proof required. Just because some reactions are assumed co-incidental does not prove they are, or mean that the majority are then false. If this is a problem what percentage are false and what suggestions could we discuss to improve on such a poor system. It shouldn’t be just about using its shortcomings to argue against those who choose not to vaccinate or question vaccination.
    Is the vaccine sheet the same as the vaccine insert? Could the patient be missing vital information on the vaccine insert? Informed consent is an important conversation, because the parent is left responsible for their child if they get an injury from a vaccine. What are the implications of doctors having no knowledge of vaccine ingredients, where they go and what they do to the body? How does a patient access information if they wish to research these matters to properly assess the risks for their child?

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    • Reports to VAERS are monitored via the Vaccine Safety Datalink, which is 9 medical centers in the USA who do research.

      https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vsd/

      Vaccine information sheets list side effects and other vital consumer information.

      Vaccine inserts are legal documents produced only after clinical trials. They include reports of adverse events made without regard to causation and are not updated after further research is done.

      There is no proof that doctors have no knowledge of vaccine ingredients. Just because they don’t memorize all drug ingredients does not make them ignorant of them.

      “How does a patient access information if they wish to research these matters to properly assess the risks for their child?” You should find reputable, valid, reliable places for information, like the vaccine safety datalink above. Never get information from blogs or websites that also have stores.

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    • I am sorry your son had lifelong issues related to seizure disorder. I am sure you have read the research showing seizure disorder to be genetic in origin. Vaccines and illness can both cause seizures to appear but the underlying cause is genetic. I wish you peace.

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      • The underlying cause can be genetic, but aren’t you adding insult to injury when you inject a child that is already prone to life threatening seizures with an ingredient that will “turn on” that reaction or genetic predisposition? It’s like playing Russian roulette hoping your child is not predisposed to the condition to find out later the vaccine actually triggered it. Genetics do play a huge role. So, why not spend the money on preventing the reactions and discovering possible predispositions rather than deal with the collateral damage after the fact?

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      • The genetic predisposition or disorder could be turned on by stress, illness, injury, or a strong immune response to a vaccine. So, it is very difficult, if not impossible, to completely shelter the child from genetics. It is going to happen. It is not a vaccine reaction. That is why you cannot get compensated for this type of health issue after vaccination. It is not a vaccine injury. And, people with genetic disorders deserve to be protected from serious diseases which could also trigger devastating seizures.

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      • “So, why not spend the money on preventing the reactions and discovering possible predispositions rather than deal with the collateral damage after the fact?”

        Actually that is exactly what vaccines do. They prevent the diseases that can cause an even greater reaction. My oldest had what used to be known as a “grand mal” seizure due to actually getting a disease several years before its vaccine was available.

        Though if you have evidence that any vaccine on the present American pediatric schedule causes more seizures than the disease, just post the PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers.

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  9. Thanks for your wonderful debunking.
    As a UK doctor, I can tell you that the undergraduate medical course has some vaccination related education and training, with most being covered in paediatrics or in infectious diseases/microbiology.
    The bulk of specific knowledge follows after med school, with specialisation in the various disciplines. Doing microbiology, immunology, public health, infectious diseases, paediatrics and general practice will all have training that is vaccine related. Some specialties have further subspecialisation within them; for instance you can do diplomas or masters in child health, in preventive medicine and public health, in tropical medicine and infectious diseases etc.
    A large chunk of education and training is devoted to clinical aspects of vaccination, including side effects, contraindications, development, constituents and pharmacology and immunology of the vaccine response.

    It is laughable that these speakers tout themselves as “World experts” in vaccines, when many are not even doctors, and none have the relevant training or experience, and none have done any clinical research in the topic (just done data dredging surveys from VAERS and the like)

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  10. vaccines do work, in rare occurrences, lol. but the side effects are killer. I love how everyone is waking up to vaccine damage and the greedy corps destroying human health in the process. its hardly even debatable anymore how dangerous vaccines are. its great to see people knocking down pro-vaccine articles like this. I will say its not just vaccines causing all these problems, its our entire environment from GMO food to our glyphosate drenched food supply, from nuclear “accidents” to weather geoengineering. the corporations have almost completely taken over our government. we no longer live in a democracy(of which we were never suppose to be, founding father set up a republic) but we now live in a corprotacracy. but thanks, I got a good laugh out of your article and even more so enjoyed the comments. much love

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  11. This is not a debunk at all. The reality is that doctors do not provide informed consent. I’ve had both of my daughters vaccinated and been vaccinated myself as an adult. Not one piece of information about the benefits vs risks was discussed with me.
    Thank you for the great laugh though!
    People are learning the truth and I love it:)

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  12. Dear Kathy,
    Looking at the very first response to your ‘blog’, it’s clear that you’ve already got YOUR facts wrong and are offering to amend your comments.

    Do you even realise how hypocritical that is?

    Would it be possible, that at the end of your next hypocritical dribble, that you include your last name? That way, when the proverbial poop hits the fan and the lid of this unscrupulous industry is blown off, once and for all, I’ll be there laughing at the egg on your face.

    Oh…and before you start screaming ‘Antivaxxer!’ at me…. My children have been vaccinated. Fully. I have done my own research and come to the conclusion, just like the Scientists, Parents, Lawyers, Journalists, Doctors, Immunologists, etc. in the ‘Truth About Vaccinations’ by Ty Bollinger, that there are fundamental problems with the safety of vaccines and the amount being given to our children. If there is nothing to hide, then there should be no problem with the setting up of an Independent Safety Council, since it’s very clear that the CDC has been compromised.

    Anyone being belligerent to people, who are genuinely fighting for the safety of our children and the freedom of choice of our nations, need to go live in North Korea. They will fit in well there.

    Kind regards,
    Fiona

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      • Wrong?
        Kathy, you wouldn’t understand the meaning of the word ‘wrong’ if it was tattooed on your own forehead and smacked you on the ass every time you saw it.

        I could pick through every piece of information you’ve tried to justify in your ‘blog’, but it’s clear you have no inclination to look at all the facts and wasting time is what you do, not I.

        With you it’s either black or white and there’s no grey in the middle. You’re so set on the fact that you are right(even the name of your blog suggests that!), that you can’t even imagine a scenario where some vaccines may be safe, but some most definitely aren’t. This makes your ‘blog’ ridiculous and makes you look completely stupid.

        In all honesty, I haven’t even wasted my time reading everything you’ve said, because it’s full of old, one-sided, misleading and not factually correct information. If you can’t be swayed by the facts and the experts on ‘The Truth About Vaccines’, then anyone trying is simply wasting their time.

        Just one other thing…Dr Andrew Wakefield was completely exonerated…and I’ll say it again…COMPLETELY EXONERATED of all the FAKE charges that he was accused of. Anyone who suggests otherwise, or prefers to ignore this fact because it suits their own agenda, is nothing short of laughable.

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      • “Wrong?”

        You still have not pointed out what was “wrong” with any kind of evidence.

        Instead of making a blatant claim like “Wakefield was exonerated”… just directly quote the wrong points and then post the PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researches to support your claims.

        Anything less is just being a lazy blowhard. Sure you can bluster, but can your actually deliver real evidence?

        (since Wakefield has been legally stripped from practicing medicine in the UK, and could never ever legally able to practice medicine in the USA… or elsewhere, he is not considered “qualified” nor “reputable”).

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    • I notice you have pointed to nothing inaccurate in the blog post.

      People can become anti-vaccine, even if they were not that to start with.

      As to being belligerent, I suggest re-reading your comment. The post was factual, explaining the issues with the series.

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    • What you observed is someone who was told they were incorrect, so they asked for evidence and when that evidence was presented, accepted they were incorrect, and assimilated that into their body of knowledge. That is how a body of knowledge develops. Perhaps you don’t recognise the process, because you have bought into a thought process that relies on not accepting anything other what agrees with you ie exercising confirmation bias. And people like you are the worst, because you yourself and your children are protected, yet you follow people who actively encourage people not to be protected. Your American centric argument also falls flat, because every country in the world vaccinates, many on a very similar schedule to the US, plus many countries have stricter laws around vaccination. You whine about freedom of choices, when you live in a country where you are allowed to write what you just wrote with no ramifications. Your first world privilege is showing.

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  14. “Vaccines Work” FOR WHOM? They work for the corporations that produce toxic chemicals that the US Supreme Court says are “unavoidably unsafe” in a 2011 ruling in favor of Wyeth corporation. They work for rich pigs in those corporations that get rich by selling toxic chemicals that have been given FULL legal Immunity which means that when vaccines HARM “unavoidably” that those vaccine makers are completely protected by law. They work for investors in these toxic chemical potions which know that without prosecution for dangerous and defective products they will continue to see their profits grow. Yeah…..vaccines work for rich, pathological people without a conscience. Nice!

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  15. Will you please provide references to the peer reviewed articles supporting your statements above, specifically those on vaccine safety? TIA

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  16. Kathy wrote “… more children today having a disability than a decade ago, and the greatest increase is among kids in higher-income families … neurodevelopmental and mental health-related disabilities increased …”
    =============
    Professional two-income households are “higher-income families”. If parents careers caused them to postpone having children, that increases the probability their children will have autism, see … http://drexel.edu/now/archive/2014/April/Autism-Risk-Older-Parents/

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  17. Two questions and thoughts if you don’t mind… is there a real legitimate risk to not vaccinating on the schedule assigned by the CDC? If so, have there been reputable studies that show potential adverse or not significant effects of multiple vaccines at once; looking at the possible use of multiple metals coupled with anti-bioics and live micro organisms (as in the case with some vaccines)? I understand that there are thousands if not millions of people who are vaccinated in recent years go without any known or obviously visible effects. Is there something out there that looks at (or currently in the process of being developed ie. database) that could show a longitudinal reality between these two groups and see if there is any statistical significant deviation between them? Seems like we have a number of those willing to participate.

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    • “…is there a real legitimate risk to not vaccinating on the schedule assigned by the CDC?”

      Yes. It would be something like your child has cancer. Speak to your doctor. My oldest son had neonatal seizures when he was two days old, so he did not get a pertussis vaccine (he got the DT instead). But this was 28 years ago, and they have now discovered that the DTP did not cause seizures but it was often a genetic disorder.

      ” If so, have there been reputable studies that show potential adverse or not significant effects of multiple vaccines at once; looking at the possible use of multiple metals coupled with anti-bioics and live micro organisms (as in the case with some vaccines)? ”

      Um, kind of yeah… just in the use. Also what “multiple metals”? Anyway there is the CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink, which there are lots of studies:
      https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vsd/publications.html

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      • Thanks I’ll look those over.

        Metals such as:
        11 elements, namely aluminum, arsenic, barium, cadmium, chromium, lead, mercury, selenium, thallium and zinc,

        Some are used as a stabilizer some used to antagonize the immune response some used as a delivery system and some used for preservation. They are used in the production of individual vaccines but now some cases multiple vaccines are given in one shot mixing them. They vary in concentration albeit low and again depending on the manufacturer. Not ALL metals always present. Just wondering if they all need to done at the rate and speed with which they prescribe. (All before less than 1yo)

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26518400/?i=3&from=/27403668/related#fft

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      • From your link “Power analyses demonstrated that safety studies of aluminum could detect relative risks ranging from 1.1 to 5.8 for a range of adverse event incidence.”

        So, when you read the full document, what did that mean? What were the conclusions?

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    • 1. The risk to not vaccinating is not being protected from preventable diseases and contributing to the lack of herd immunity.

      2. There are no studies on record showing vaccine risks outweigh benefits.

      3. There are no metals in vaccines. Aluminum adjuvants are compounds, not metals. Thimerosal is a compound, not a metal.

      4. There are too many variables to weigh then comparing vaxed v unvaxed. The vaccine safety datalink, however, analyzes and studies reports to VAERS.

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  18. I stopped reading this after “vaccines cut the number of SIDS in half.” Kathy is either very ignorant, or evil. Neither is much qualification for writing a blog that other people might read.

    I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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  19. Only a religious zealot would believe that vaccines have ever or could ever be effective. Let me take a few minutes to smash your beliefs to pieces with simple common sense.

    Viruses in vaccines are grown in (not a complete list):
    1. Aborted fetal tissue
    2. Caterpillar larvae
    3. Green monkey kidneys (SV-40 known to cause cancer)
    4. Chicken embryos

    Aluminum is 7x more toxic than mercury and is neurotoxic. Common sense

    Formaldehyde is a neurotoxin, used to preserve vaccines. Maybe you’ve heard that aspartame causes brain lesions, in diet sodas. That’s because at 86 degrees, it breaks down into formaldehyde.

    Polysorbate-80 is a spermicide. It is neurotoxic.

    This is common sense I’m not going to keep talking about ingredients. Let’s look at the immune system. I’m just going to quote people from this point since you dribbling neanderthals are probably a lost cause anyway. But before I do, let me explain to you what an oligarchy is.

    80 people own over half the world’s wealth. No surprise there. Try studying history. I assume you do not due to your enormous ignorance and lack of independent thought. An oligarchy by definition, believes in overpopulation. In 1000 BC, the ruling class believed that the earth was overpopulated. Climate control is used to make people feel guilty, and ultimately blames us for the earth’s troubled status. (Carbon emissions from humans, instead of mass pollution from corporations.) The oligarchy believes that the common man, the slave class, is an animal. They believe they are inherently superior and have the right to rule. Vaccines actually dumb down populations to the point that we will soon become a sub species. Consider researching these claims since you likely are not familiar with them and will already as you are reading be thinking of what to say next instead of using knowledge to guide you.
    Without further ado.

    Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD, 1989, Director of the Park-Sanatorium of Bad-Steben, West Germany, witness in more than 150 court trials about vaccination damages:
    “Vaccines have never had the proclaimed preventive effect on infections. The regression of infectious diseases started over 200 years ago, which means long before the introduction of vaccination, and it was due to the improved social conditions of the population: nutrition and hygiene.
    Contrarily to general belief, the vaccinations have had a negative influence on the decrease of the infective maladies and mortality. Statistics started off at a period when the infectious diseases were already on the downgrade. Careful studies over a period of many years have revealed that each introduction of a mass vaccination has obtained only one result: the immediate recrudescence of the malady that the vaccine should have prevented, but which it has solicited instead. The temporary but immediate isolation of infected patients has each time proved sufficient to prevent an epidemic.
    After every flare-up of an infection due to vaccination, the maladies have resumed the downward course which existed already before the vaccination. In general and over a period of many years, every vaccination has caused more casualties than the infection it was supposed to prevent. This happened for instance with the smallpox vaccination in Germany and many other countries.. ..Vaccines don’t protect, but do harm. A scientific proof of their usefulness has never existed, whereas the severe, sometimes fatal damages they cause are a proven fact.”(source: a talk given at the “The International Congress Of Doctors Against Vivisection” originally printed in CIVIS International Foundation Report Nr. 8″, WINTER 1989 – 1990, Massagno – Switzerland, CIVIS.)

    “There has never been a single vaccine in this country that has ever been submitted to a controlled scientific study. They never took a group of 100 people who were candidates for a vaccine, gave 50 of them a vaccine and left the other 50 alone, and measured the outcome. And since that has never been done, that means that if you want to be kind, you will call vaccines an unproven remedy. If you want to be accurate, you’ll call the people who give vaccines quacks.” Prof. Robert Mendelsohn, M.D., 1986, Head of the Liscensing Board for the State of Illinois, paediatrician & gynaecologist for 30 years, medical columnist & best-selling author, recipient of numerous awards for excellence in medicine. (p.50)
    “The public is surely entitled to convincing proof, beyond any reasonable doubt, that artificial immunisation is in fact a safe and effective procedure, in no way injurious to health, and that the threat of the corresponding natural diseases remain sufficiently clear and urgent to warrant mass inoculation of everyone, even against their will if necessary. Unfortunately, such proof has never been given” Richard Moskowitz, M.D. 1983. (p.47)

    “It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we vanquished smallpox with vaccines when only 10% of the population were ever vaccinated.” Dr. Glen Dettman, AMM, BA, PhD, & Archie Kalokerinos, MD, 1986.

    “It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we vanquished smallpox with vaccines when only 10% of the population were ever vaccinated.” Dr. Glen Dettman, AMM, BA, PhD, & Archie Kalokerinos, MD, 1986. (p. 36) In the late 1960’s and 1970s, Dr. Kalokerinos and Dr. Dettman discovered that some 500 out of every 1,000 Aboriginal children were dying in the Northern Territories. The cause was a type of toxic shock reaction, complicated by vitamin C deficiency, often brought on by immunisation. In a two-year period without vaccination and with improved nutrition not one child died. (p.43).
    “The most phenomenal accomplishments in tuberculosis eradication have been achieved where little or no B.C.G. has been used, including in Iceland, Hawaii and the Netherlands.” From an article signed by 17 doctors in the British Medical Journal, June 6 1959. (P.110). B.C.G. is a vaccine used against tuberculosis.
    Vaccination leads to Cancer, Leukaemia, Brain Damage and many other chronic diseases?
    “Immunisation programs against the flu, measles, mumps, polio, etc., actually may be seeding humans with RNA to form pro-viruses…which under proper conditions become activated and cause a variety of diseases including rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lupus erythematoses, Parkinson’s disease, and cancer. Spare me this ‘medical miracle’.” Dr. Robert Simpson, of Rutgers University, 1987. (p.42)
    “The vaccination modifies the terrain of the vaccinated, driving it towards the alkaline and oxidised terrain–the terrain of cancer. The fact can no longer be denied.” The French medical Journal Revue de Pathologie Generale at de Physiologie Clinique, 1958 (p.111).
    “It is necessary only to read on the dials of a physical measuring apparatus the ratings of the 3 characteristics of the blood. The pH, the rH2 and the electric resistance. The findings are that all vaccination has the effect of directing the three values of the blood into or toward the zone characteristics of cancer and leukemia…Vaccines do predispose to cancer and leukemia.” Prof.L.C.Vincent, founder of Bioelectronics.
    “Vaccination also causes leukaemia to break out.” Dr. B. Duperrat, 1954, of the Saint-Louis Hospital in Paris, in the French medical journal Presse Medicale , March 12 1955. (P.114)
    “Since routine vaccines introduce live viruses and other highly antigenic material into the blood of virtually every living person, it is difficult to escape the conclusion that a significant harvest of auto-immune diseases will automatically result. It is dangerous and misleading and the exact opposite of the truth to claim that a vaccine makes us “immune” or protects us against an acute disease. In fact, it only drives the disease deeper into the interior and causes us to harbour it chronically with the result that our responses to it become progressively weaker and show less and less tendency to heal and resolve themselves spontaneously. . . Far from producing a genuine immunity the vaccines may act by actually interfering with or suppressing the immune system as a whole…” Richard Moskowitz, M.D. 1983 (p.67-68)
    “There is no doubt in my mind that in the UK alone some hundreds if not thousands, of well infants have suffered irreparable brain damage needlessly, and that their lives and those of their parents have been wrecked in consequence.” Prof. Gordon Stewart, 1987, Professor of Public Health at the University of Glasgow, 1980, commenting on the brain damaging effects of whooping cough vaccine. (p.40)
    “Vaccines are made from: mucus of infected children (whooping cough), excrement from typhoid victims (typhoid), fermented chick embryos, and until recently, vaccines for polio were got from diseased kidneys of monkeys, and cause: leukemia, encephalitis, Multiple Sclerosis, and “Now I believe the smallpox vaccine theory is the explanation to the explosion of AIDS.” advisor to the World Health Organisation, as reported in The London Times , 11.05.1987 (p.39). The advisors name was not disclosed in the Times article
    “Millions of people have been vaccinated with the polio vaccine, which contains the cancer-forming SV-40 virus originally found in monkeys. It is possible that it will take 20 years or still longer before the possible damaging effects of this virus come to light” Professor J. Clausen, 1973, of the Institute of Preventive Medicine at the University of Odense. Consider the upsurge of diseases such as AIDS, CFS, increases in leukemia etc., in light of this statement. (p.94)
    “Vaccination is not necessary, not useful, does not protect. There are twice as many casualties from vaccination as from AIDS” Dr. med. Gerhard Buchwald, 1988, West Germany, specialist of internal diseases and participant in about 150 trials of vaccination victims (p.35).

    It is also clear you are ignorant about what a chiropractor does, or how much more knowledge about the body they are the in school than any ignorant medical doctor. They take more credit hours to graduate and almost no pharmacology.

    Please don’t speak again until you have something intelligent to say.

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    • “4. Chicken embryos ”

      I had some for lunch in the form of an egg salad sandwich.

      And your Gish Gallop was just lots of silly arguments that have been disputed many times. Assertions like: “Aluminum is 7x more toxic than mercury and is neurotoxic. Common sense” are just silly. Aluminum is in the soil, and you get more from skinning your knew than any vaccine.

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    • I am sorry that you are chemophobic an do not understand science. Do you live near a community college or university? it might be to your advantage to sign up for a few biology and chemistry courses.

      That being said, if you make another threat to me, I will ban you from posting on my blog.

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      • For a “Free Thinker” he seems to be very gullible. He would definitely benefit from some community college science classes, but first he has to open his mind to facts.

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  20. Chronic illnesses are now so common, having a sick child seems to be the “new normal.”Children are supposed to be vibrant, healthy, free of disease.” – Janet Levatin MD, Pediatrician.

    God bless

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  21. Oh, wow… a quick google shows she is a homeopath! That is even worse than a chiropractor (especially since she supposedly passed a chemistry to on her road to becoming an MD).

    An interesting thing about measles and the immune system: getting it resets a kids immune system so they are no longer immune to much of anything:
    Science. 2015 May 8;348(6235):694-9. doi: 10.1126/science.aaa3662. Epub 2015 May 7.
    Long-term measles-induced immunomodulation increases overall childhood infectious disease mortality.

    If you think vaccines do not work, then answer a question for me using the US Census data of the number of reported measles cases during the 20th century. Look at that table and tell us why measles dropped 90% between 1960 and 1970 in the United States of America. Some notes:

    Provide verifiable documentation to support your answer in a form of PubMed indexed studies… no videos.

    Please do not mention deaths, because that is not what the table shows. If you do you will be changing the subject.

    Please do not mention any other disease, because that would be changing the subject.

    Please do not mention any other country, because this is specifically data from one particular country (plus England and Wales are not American states).

    Please do not mention any other decade unless the number of cases dropped more than 80% and never went up again.

    From http://www.census.gov/prod/99pubs/99statab/sec31.pdf
    Year…. Rate per 100000 of measles
    1912 . . . 310.0
    1920 . . . 480.5
    1925 . . . 194.3
    1930 . . . 340.8
    1935 . . . 584.6
    1940 . . . 220.7
    1945 . . . 110.2
    1950 . . . 210.1
    1955 . . . 337.9
    1960 . . . 245.4
    1965 . . . 135.1
    1970 . . . . 23.2
    1975 . . . . 11.3
    1980 . . . . . 5.9
    1985 . . . . . 1.2
    1990 . . . . .11.2
    1991 . . . . . .3.8
    1992 . . . . . .0.9
    1993 . . . . . .0.1
    1994 . . . . . .0.4
    1995 . . . . . .0.1
    1996 . . . . . .0.2
    1997 . . . . . . 0.1

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  22. Immunization is a robust science full of evidence and facts, the exact opposite of dogma or religion. Please click on any link in any of my posts and you will find multitudes of facts, science, and evidence.

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  23. Forrest is ridiculous. That you all fall for his BS is even more ridiculous. Do you know what it means to think for yourself? It means try to look up his “facts” and verify them. Be sure to recognize that television shows are not facts.

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  24. Any comments on these thoughts? [From a friend who is swallowing all this hook, line and sinker]:

    She starts out – I as a concerned individual looked up what is in vaccines. And found some alarming things such as: Polysorbate80, Aluminum, Thimerosal, Animal DNA, and Aborted Fetal Tissue to name a few.
    Because I have done this research, I believe I am justified in saying that I have more information than my doctor on this; therefore I would not follow their recommendation solely because I trust them. I am not saying they don’t have way more knowledge on many topics that the nurse mentioned. But most doctors, not knowing the ingredient list, cannot provide me with enough information for true “informed consent” therefore I research independent of them.
    I cannot trust the CDC’s statements that the ingredients found in vaccines are safe for many reasons but that seems like another subject (I can expound if you’d like)

    [Side Note] Now the Paul Offit interview..
    you may or may not be surprised that I have heard/read most all of that information before.
    The article contains many half truths.

    She then goes on to say:
    1: Thimerosal was removed (excluding trace amounts) from all vaccines in the pediatric schedule in 2001. However in 2004 (?) the flu vaccine was recommended for pregnant woman and all children above 6 months of age. The multi dose flu vaccine vials contain Thimerosal is large doses. And when woman are pregnant, the body “detoxes” substances like mercury and aluminum straight to the baby in utero. Just a couple large problems with the theory that Thimerosal can’t cause us harm.

    2. Assuming that the foreign material in a vaccine is a) not more exposure than “normal” b) the same substances we are otherwise exposed to.
    For example, the max amount of mercury in drinking water is 2 parts per billion otherwise it is deemed toxic; yet the flu vaccine alone exceeds that. (I can’t find the ppb now)
    We are apparently exposed to many things but it is by no means OK or without consequence to inject foreign DNA (animal or human) into a human body.
    The aluminum and mercury are different weights than what we are otherwise exposed to and when combined with other adjuvants such as Polysorbate80, they affect the brain and gut very differently.

    On a side note, in some states, if a vial of the flu shot is broken, the building has to be evacuated and a HAZmat team is called in to clean up because of the Thimerosal. If it is such a health hazard to inhale that substance, How in the world is it safe to inject it?

    Thoughts? I am at a loss as to how to answer her. Especially since she has a come-back for everything I try to say.

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    • Ask her about the three influenza vaccines that come in single doses, and have no thimerosal. Also, it is not an adjuvant. Also, there are different forms of mercury with different toxicities. Methylmercury, which is in fish, is completely different than ethylmercury (thimerosal). Just like drinking methyl alcohol can kill you, but ethanol is in almost every beverage at your local liquor store.

      Aluminum is not in every vaccine, but as the most common metal element in soil, it is every where. You get more if you fall down and skin your knee. The researchers who try to make it out as dangerous actually invented a term for “sore arm.” Just tell her that any paper by a speaker at a Dwoskin paid conference in Jamaica can be safely ignored:
      http://vaccinesafetyconference.com/speakers.html

      The other “scary” thing, Polysorbate 80, is an emulsifier used in food and cosmetics. If she is scared of that, then she should stay away from ice cream. And if she is afraid of any foreign DNA, then she needs to stop eating everything. Or perhaps take a freshman level introduction to biology at her closest community college. Or just ask her how she has avoided all bug bites.

      “The aluminum and mercury are different weights…”

      The atomic weights of the elements do not change, they are in different molecular compounds. Someone really needs to take a basic chemistry course. Also, as a former structural engineer who passed my engineering materials class almost forty years ago, I go into silent laughter whenever anyone calls aluminum a “heavy metal.”

      Though truly, you need to insist she provide the PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers (not any on the above speaker list) that any vaccine on the present American pediatric schedule causes more harm than the disease. The onus is on her to provide the evidence. Also I bet she has no clue what the diseases are actually like, considering she lacks basic chemistry and biology knowledge, she obviously slept through high school history and English classes too.

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    • There is no aluminum adjuvant in flu vaccine and most pregnant women get the thimerosa-free version.

      No, the body does not detox into the uterus. Good grief, what the hell? Tell a pregnant person to ask her OB about that one.

      2 parts per billion of 64 ounces of water is a lot more mercury than what is in the thimerosal in one flu vaccine. Plus, the EPA level is for pure mercury, not thimerosal.

      There is no evidence there is foreign dna in vaccines. Cells are used to grow viruses but then the virus is removed from the cells and purified before being used in the vaccine. No DNA. Plus, we eat, breathe, and drink non-human dna every day, all day. Are we turning into dust mites? Cats? Spiders?

      Vaccine particles are micro size, not nano size. See #8 here
      https://vaccinesworkblog.wordpress.com/2017/04/18/the-truth-about-vaccines-2-more-lies/

      The hazmat comment comes from RFK jr and is just ridiculous.

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  25. Well, I hate to say it because it sounds worse than it is, but she was homeschooled. As was I. I think she honestly just doesn’t care to listen. She sent me three links just this morning: One from Vaxxed (enough said right there), one from this website – http://www.livingwhole.org/god-does-not-support-vaccines/ (I’m convinced that woman is completely off her rocker), and one from a right-to-life website spouting that whole Fetal Tissue in vaccine issue (I’m right-to-life, but I really don’t think they’re dumping chopped up babies into the vaccines).

    Where might I find those PubMed studies? She won’t do the research on her own, if it doesn’t come from Vaxxed or Ty Bollinger, she doesn’t want to believe it. And I’m not sure the methyl alcohol/ethanol argument would be persuasive either – one could argue that drinking alcohol can cause liver damage.

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    • Ah, I see. She could definitely benefit from further education. PubMed is a large index of medical literature from around the world. Having a journal listed on the index is no guarantee of quality, but it weeds out youtube videos, random websites and other dreck.

      It is free to use, and while some papers are behind a paywall, there is a “free online” filter: http://www.pubmed.gov

      Because this blog is set up to send any comment with more than one link into moderation, I have used the journal, date and title papers. Typically if you put the title into the search box (top of the page) you will find the paper’s abstract. At the upper right hand corner is a link to the full paper, and if it is free it will tell you. Like this is a free online paper from Pediatrics:
      Pediatrics. 2014 Apr;133(4):577-85.
      Economic Evaluation of the Routine Childhood Immunization Program in the United States, 2009

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    • (need to use another link)

      About the fetal tissue: it is because viruses that only infect humans will only grow in human cells. So one man did quite a bit of work to get the best of a bad situation:
      http://www.nature.com/news/medical-research-cell-division-1.13273

      The Catholic Church approves of rubella vaccination, because they do not want to see a repeat of the 1960s rubella epidemic. I am old enough that I have met those affected by it, including stillbirth and deafness. Congenital Rubella Syndrome is also one known environmental cause of autism.

      “And I’m not sure the methyl alcohol/ethanol argument would be persuasive either – one could argue that drinking alcohol can cause liver damage.”

      It is all about the dose. Methanol is pretty lethal. During prohibition lots of folks died from wood alcohol poisoning due to the actions of federal agents. A good book that goes into that and other poisons is The Poisoner’s Handbook: Murder and the Birth of Forensic Medicine in Jazz Age New York by Deborah Blum. Despite its grim subject, it was a fun read, and it was fascinating to read how chemicals were treated to casually not so long ago.

      Sadly, I think you are not going to go anywhere with your friend. There is something called the “backfire effect.” In short the more you try to present any kind information the more she will dig in her heals and become even more entrenched. Personally, I would just ignore her… take a break, go to the library and check out the above book (it is one reason why I have stopped reading fiction, I am presently reading a book about Bellevue Hospital by David Oshinsky).

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  26. I think you believe in the wrong science.

    1
    In a way, Paul is correct that the AAP does not specifically research vaccine safety but this does not mean members are not involved in vaccine safety research nor does this mean that AAP ignores vaccine safety.

    Above comment makes all in your case number 1 totally invalid!

    2
    In your second case iatrogenic is because doctors believe that the CDC is the highest truth in existence and there is no need to question an expert. A doctor that believes everything the expert says without even making connections from his own practice is a dangerous doctor. That person is a repeater, and they echo the information coming to them, without any questions. Watch out for them!

    3
    SIDS is an example of something that may be reported to VAERS but, in reality, is not caused by vaccines.

    So it “may” be reported?? Not caused by vaccines? Show me hard evidence to back that claim!

    4
    “The informed consent process for vaccines is carefully regulated and thought through.”
    Hm, in reality, this is not the case. Parents are met by hostile medical practitioners when questioning vaccines and if that is not coercion, then I don’t know what is!

    5
    “What those opposed to vaccines really mean, when they say doctors don’t learn about vaccines, is that doctors do not learn the ingredients to vaccines. This is true.”

    So in essence, not knowing the content of a vaccine results in no connection to side effects? This is dangerous practice!

    6
    “We also know that SIDS and infant mortality rates are at all time lows, in USA.”
    What does that mean? Numbers?

    7
    You can argue that case all day long but the fact is that even if it is mentioned in an article in 1954 lobbyists are the reason why this information hasn’t rooted properly. People simply don’t get the info because the lobbyist is twisting the case to benefit the company and make the public none the wiser! And they still do it! They are one of many enemies to the people!

    8
    ” A lot is known about how they connect with vaccines. Some vaccines can cause a fever which could cause a febrile (fever) seizure. This is not epilepsy and it is not a vaccine issue, per se, but that some toddlers are prone to a seizure with a fever. An illness could also cause the seizure.”

    Not a vaccine issue, per se? Could also cause seizure?
    What is that, are we speculating in avoidance? This is not science!!!

    9
    “these products are beneficial enough that society wants to encourage their manufacturing.”
    Well, being misled by lobbyists, benefits are all that comes out. Not a single doctor who carelessly gives people vaccines consider there to be ANY side effects besides a little rash in the needle area and fever.

    10
    “Mike Adams, the Health Ranger comes on to claim that vaccines are advertised as 100% risk-free, that the vaccine risk are ignored.”
    The only risk parents learn is a little rash and fever, not that your african-american child is almost certain to fall in to autism when receiving the MMR vaccine!

    Ok, this is what I believe:
    The person writing this article is most likely a lobbyist defending the trillion dollar industry, yes TRILLION DOLLARS!!! This shit is to be implemented worldwide. What does that mean? Shit load of cash to pharma and shit loads of dead people, the end goal is to be read on the Georgia guide stones!

    Give this a thought: Why are the manufacturers of vaccines completely immune to prosecution?

    There is nobody in the medical care taking responsibility for vaccine injuries, only you are, the one who receives the vaccine. If you are injured, you are on your own!

    Now, none of us reading and/or writing this information has any firsthand information. That means that the information you receive could be true or false and none of us are any experts! The only advice I can give on the matter is to investigate as much as you can. Learn to recognize what can be trusted and what cannot! The doctors wont give you any satisfying answers, listen to people instead with real life experiences, their tragedy. Use your heart and mind and feel what is right for you.

    We live in a very hostile world where greed is on the first row. If you use common sense, you will get far. If something feels wrong, it is your intuition telling you there is something wrong indeed, listen to it!

    Lastly… The series about vaccines is not intended to abolish vaccines, it is about why so many people are injured by it. The questions in focus are why vaccines needs mercury as a preservative and why aluminum is added as a immune system provoker. What I’ve learned is that the vaccine is for the body and not the brain. The aluminum in vaccines penetrates the blood brain barrier and sends the vaccine straight to brain, but the experts say that the brain is not the target and it should never receive the vaccine… but it does, hence the horrible side effects!

    But hey, what do I know, I’m just a guy reading and viewing all sorts of information… but I use my heart to find the truth, and so far it has benefited me to know things others don’t. I’m connecting the dots, that’s all I do, and I don’t like what I discovered!

    Beware and be safe!

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    • 1. There is plenty of vaccine safety research and I have posted plenty of links.

      2. Doctors believe in evidence. Truth is subjective.

      3. Quit playing semantic games. I don’t bite.

      4. If parents who are antivax don’t want to vax, they should stop seeking medical care from provax docs. It is that simple.

      5. No

      6. I posted links re SIDS. It is your job to read them.

      7. Wrong

      8. Who is speculating?

      9. Wrong

      10. There is an about section to this blog. Why are you all so afraid of facts and evidence that you assume anyone who uses them is a paid shill? It’s pretty paranoid and ridiculous of you.

      Nowhere in the series did anyone discuss why thimerosal was in vaccines or what is now used in it’s place. No one debated whether we could have vaccines without adjuvants. Aluminum, in vaccines, does not penetrate the blood brain barrier because it is too large. It is not in nanoparticles but microparticles and therefore too large. Read #8 in my review of episode 2.

      You should use your brain to read evidence.

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      • “6. I posted links re SIDS. It is your job to read them.”

        Though your link hyperlinked on the words “vaccines cut the risk of SIDS in half.” actually just goes to just the main PubMed index. There is a meta-analysis, but since data is messy all they could figure is that it is protective, but I could not access the full paper:
        Vaccine. 2007 Jun 21;25(26):4875-9. Epub 2007 Mar 16.
        Do immunisations reduce the risk for SIDS? A meta-analysis.

        The closest thing I saw not behind a paywall as this:
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK221466/

        It is not an easy read. Because like all multi-variable problems it is not an easy question to understand.

        What is a wee bit easier to understand that with reduction of parental smoking, putting babies on their back to sleep has reduced SIDS and avoiding pertussis. Though there are some precautionary tales:

        Neonatal Deaths After Hepatitis B VaccineThe Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, 1991-1998 (which turns out to be a cautionary tale about co-sleeping… the freakiest one on the table includes this description: “co-slept with mother on couch, found on back on floor beside couch”).

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15889991 … where the abstract says: “An antivaccine movement developed in Japan as a consequence of increasing numbers of adverse reactions to whole-cell pertussis vaccines in the mid-1970s. After two infants died within 24 h of the vaccination from 1974 to 1975, the Japanese government temporarily suspended vaccinations. Subsequently, the public and the government witnessed the re-emergence of whooping cough, with 41 deaths in 1979.”

        Oh, crud… I have heard lots through the medical media on the impact of parental tobacco smoking and SIDS, but apparently they are many… and bundled up with co-sleeping. It is an overload of just reviews! And I covered the co-sleeping on the first link!

        (by the way, I am guilty of co-sleeping on a few occasions, because anyone with a newborn is just sleep deprived, though I tried to only do it by sitting upright in a chair… but obviously that is not perfect, because the baby could have rolled off of the pillow on my lap)

        By the way the “back to sleep” to prevent SIDS campaign did not happen until after my first two kids (the second one was breast fed to the late night television coverage of the first Desert Storm war!… so I was alarmed awake). I was on a listserv for my oldest son’s lack of speech, and one concerned grandmother asked me if I thought he was affected by the 1990s “back to sleep” program. Um, no. He was born in 1988… this just goes to show that some folks will grasp on to any little change just to justify that a disability cannot be from genetics!

        Oh, by the way, since I am way into the moderation due too many links, let me plug again the Simons Foundation’s program to find the genetics of autism, which include several de novo mutations: https://sparkforautism.org/

        😉

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  27. Anyways, evidently, something is horribly wrong and you don’t seem to take this seriously! People who care about themselves and their loved ones do best in being skeptic until proven otherwise.

    Like I said. the Georgia guidestones tells us in which direction our world is heading! Bill Gates has also said it himself that the world need to be vaccinated to reduce the population. He got kicked out of India for killing and injuring tens of thousands children with his polio vaccine!

    It is better to be safe than sorry. You suggest in short the other way around… you must be very stupid or you’re a lobbyist!

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    • Bill Gates said that family planning programs will help people have smaller families and vaccination and other medical care will help them have healthier families. This will lead to the population not growing so fast.

      Gates did not get kicked out of India. The Indian government decided to run their immunization program themselves. The Gates Foundation still does work in India.

      Please stop reading natural news.

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  29. Physicians prescribe antibiotics for viral infections routinely. This has happened to me many times throughout the years by several different doctors. The reasoning was that they didn’t want a secondary bacterial infection to set in. They do it less now, but it’s still not uncommon. People have to advocate for their own health, and they have to be able to ask questions. The last time I was prescribed an antibiotic, which was about 5 years ago, I said to the physician, “Well, don’t I need to take a probiotic with or after the antibiotic treatment?” His reply was, “You can if you want to.” Wow. You just have to educate and take care or yourself. But in my experience, doctors tend to feel very threatened by questions. I used to work for big pharma and did very well; I spent many years working with physicians, and very few are brave enough to buck the system and really look at the science put out by entities without vested interests.

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  30. PHD thesis … in the context of Australian vaccination schedule and not the USA, but worth a read http://ro.uow.edu.au/theses/4541/. BTW, SIDS might be lowest it’s been in the USA, but it’s not in other countries like New Zealand, with obviously a lot more at play than just vaccines. As for us, we enjoyed the few TruthAboutVaccines episodes we saw and will continue to research the claims and counter claims.

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  31. Anyone who thinks giving a baby through to 15 months old, the required amount of vaccines promoted by the establishment, needs a serious rational re-boot in critical thinking.

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    • Please expand on that statement. Tell us why with supporting evidence from PubMed studies by reputable qualified researchers.

      I say this as a mother who had to deal with seizures in my oldest from a rotavirus infection more than a decade before the vaccine was available, and had to take care of three kids with chicken pox (including a six month old baby) a year before that vaccine was available. I have also met parents whose children were disabled and actually killed by an Hib infection. I, as a person born in 1957, suffered from mumps twice… possibly because a measles infection a couple years before wiped out my immunity:
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4823017/

      So really, tell us why we need a re-boot in critical thinking because we believe preventing diseases with vaccines is better than letting kids get sick with some rather nasty pathogens. Again, support your answer by providing PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers that any vaccine on the present American pediatric schedule causes more harm than the diseases.

      As an aside since this is all about “critical thinking”, give us some good economic reasons why it is better to let kids get sick than to prevent disease. Make sure to prove this study totally wrong:
      Pediatrics. 2014 Apr;133(4):577-85.
      Economic Evaluation of the Routine Childhood Immunization Program in the United States, 2009.

      Warning: do not use the argument that the diseases no longer occur. That is not on the table, because the reason they do not occur so often is because of vaccination.

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    • Anyone who thinks it is a good idea to leave a baby vulnerable to 14 diseases needs “needs a serious rational re-boot in critical thinking,” in my opinion. I am very glad my children didn’t have to get HIB and PCV13 vaccine decreased ear infections in their generation.

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  32. I am not a Doctor, but am interested in how certain conspiracy theories come to be so ingrained in the human psyche. With that in mind I can understand how desperate, confused and befuddled parents having children with Autism, can become very susceptible to believing in any cure that might ease the suffering of their child, and of themselves—thus it is sort of natural that they would want to cling to any hope offered to them—such as a smoking gun which supposedly provides proof that simply avoiding vaccinations for their children can significantly improve their children’s health.

    However, what I can’t understand is what would motivate an average compassionate Dr., (well educated in the causes and remedies for serious illnesses), would want to (deliberately) deny all supporting data linking autism with certain vaccines? Why would professional healers so utterly fail to carry out the moral imperative requiring them to examine each possilble cure and then thoroughly examine the scientific proof used to verify if that cure is truly effective, or just the result of faulty research.

    Likewise, although I fully believe that big pharma can be primarilly motivated by making money, and may sometimes be negligent concerning the validity its own research, or, might display false zeal when marketing a new medicine I absolutely refuse to believe that Doctors and/or researchers intentionally want to endanger the public—just to make money, while deliberately neglecting proper scientific controls?

    So,thanks for providing this article as a way to point out many, often unnoticed pitfalls, which can cause honest people can make honest mistakes, and how emotionally grieving and burdened parents, can promote anti-vac movements out of a natural need to imagine a brighter future for thier children.

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    • 1. How did certain conspiracy theories come to be so ingrained in the human psyche? My theory is that there have always been people who have irrational fears and 2017 is no exception. I think some of them are not mentally stable, some are gullible, some are not rational thinkers, some are paranoid. It is not an easy question to answer.

      2. I am not sure why some doctors fail to see that science has deeply analyzed the autism-vaccines connection and shown there is nothing there. I wonder if it is just the old snake oil salesmen and women tactics, meaning they know what they are doing but they are motivated more by profit than truth.

      3. I agree with you here. “Likewise, although I fully believe that big pharma can be primarilly motivated by making money, and may sometimes be negligent concerning the validity its own research, or, might display false zeal when marketing a new medicine I absolutely refuse to believe that Doctors and/or researchers intentionally want to endanger the public—just to make money, while deliberately neglecting proper scientific controls?”

      You are welcome. Thank you for reading.

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      • One more thing needs mentioning–while some are spreading fears about the possilble harm they believe vaccines can cause their children, the fact is that every vaccine or medication used to alleviate human suffering, comes with a price–that price being that it will have some side effects and/or produce some bad reactions in some people. So while I remain distrustful of big pharma and its quest to make money by producing many overly expensive treatments for diseases, parents need to remember that even aspirin and ant-acids can have adverse side effects on some individuals, and every time we need a medical procedure or some kind of surgery, we are also accustomed to being told that infrequently those procedures and operations can harm certain in certain patients. That’s why we must sign consent forms whenever going “under the knife.”

        So this begs the moral question of whether using drugs or vaccines that have some rare, or not so rare, side effects, are truly moral and acceptable to market, while knowing full well that, although they may make things worse for a few, they WILL provide many people with relief and improved health.

        That’s the main fear that anti-vaccine people seem to be exploiting–using unavoidable facts of life, to demonize certain drugs and vaccines that actually do produce positive results in a vast majority of people. If we have to wait for all problems or all complications that are sometime associated with those drugs and vaccines to disappear, we will have a very long wait. So even while Doctors actively report adverse effects which the vaccines they prescribe may have, there is no way for them, nor anyone else, to eliminate all possilble risks. And unfortunately, risks are very normal drawbacks that alarmists exploit in order to exaggerate the dangers that vaccines or treatments may pose. In this way their beliefs about the dangers of certain vaccines, becomes accepted by the larger populous. And if one of them happens to have a child that has been vaccinated, and then develops Autism, this becomes the definitive event that cements the dangers of certain vaccines in their minds, possibly causing them to become activists who oppose dependence on vaccinations which they believe, in the long run, will only cause harm. In the midst of such hysteria, its hard to believe that scientist who are anti-vaccine, don’t really believe the findings of their own erroneous research. Otherwise, why do they have such a need to crusade against the use of MMR inoculations that is so strong, that they are willing to take up the banner of true believers in the overall harm that can be caused by some medicines?

        Once a conspiracy becomes anchored in their minds, it becomes very hard to remove, even though only a very small number of people experience enough negative side-effects to be persuaded not to use vaccinations that clearly help so many others?

        The fact is, that when it comes to medical treatments of any kind, all of us are taking a risk and spinning our personal roulette wheels. So the larger moral issue is whether or not it is immoral to force parents to have their own children vaccinated due to the larger numbers of children that will benefit from inoculations? It doesn’t help to polarize each other when we should be engaged in rational and polite discussions which include facts instead of fears. Parents are not bad for wanting to protect their children, and neither are the many other parents who see the advantages of inoculating their own children in order to protect them from a host of dangerous, and typically childhood, diseases!

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      • Yes, I completely agree. I had a moderate reaction to MMR, in grad school, and had a severe reaction to sulfa drugs, as an undergrad. I know full well we have to weigh risks v benefits.

        I always say it is fine to be cautious and ask questions. What matters is where you get the answers.

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